30 Renowned Writers Speaking About God
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Speakers in order of appearance:
1. Sir Arthur C. Clarke, Science Fiction Writer
2. Nadine Gordimer, Nobel Laureate in Literature
3. Professor Isaac Asimov, Author and Biochemist
4. Arthur Miller, Pulitzer Prize-Winning Playwright
5. Wole Soyinka, Nobel Laureate in Literature
6. Gore Vidal, Award-Winning Novelist and Political Activist
7. Douglas Adams, Best-Selling Science Fiction Writer
8. Professor Germaine Greer, Writer and Feminist
9. Iain Banks, Best-Selling Fiction Writer
10. José Saramago, Nobel Laureate in Literature
11. Sir Terry Pratchett, NYT Best-Selling Novelist
12. Ken Follett, NYT Best-Selling Author
13. Ian McEwan, Man Booker Prize-Winning Novelist
14. Andrew Motion, Poet Laureate (1999-2009)
15. Professor Martin Amis, Award-Winning Novelist
16. Michel Houellebecq, Goncourt Prize-Winning French Novelist
17. Philip Roth, Man Booker Prize-Winning Novelist
18. Margaret Atwood, Booker Prize-Winning Author and Poet
19. Sir Salman Rushdie, Booker Prize-Winning Novelist
20. Norman MacCaig, Renowned Scottish Poet
21. Phillip Pullman, Best-Selling British Author
22. Dr Matt Ridley, Award-Winning Science Writer
23. Harold Pinter, Nobel Laureate in Literature
24. Howard Brenton, Award-Winning English Playwright
25. Tariq Ali, Award-Winning Writer and Filmmaker
26. Theodore Dalrymple, English Writer and Psychiatrist
27. Roddy Doyle, Booker Prize-Winning Novelist
28. Redmond O'Hanlon FRSL, British Writer and Scholar
29. Diana Athill, Award-Winning Author and Literary Editor
30. Christopher Hitchens, Best-Selling Author, Award-Winning Columnist
1. Sir Arthur C. Clarke, Science Fiction Writer
2. Nadine Gordimer, Nobel Laureate in Literature
3. Professor Isaac Asimov, Author and Biochemist
4. Arthur Miller, Pulitzer Prize-Winning Playwright
5. Wole Soyinka, Nobel Laureate in Literature
6. Gore Vidal, Award-Winning Novelist and Political Activist
7. Douglas Adams, Best-Selling Science Fiction Writer
8. Professor Germaine Greer, Writer and Feminist
9. Iain Banks, Best-Selling Fiction Writer
10. José Saramago, Nobel Laureate in Literature
11. Sir Terry Pratchett, NYT Best-Selling Novelist
12. Ken Follett, NYT Best-Selling Author
13. Ian McEwan, Man Booker Prize-Winning Novelist
14. Andrew Motion, Poet Laureate (1999-2009)
15. Professor Martin Amis, Award-Winning Novelist
16. Michel Houellebecq, Goncourt Prize-Winning French Novelist
17. Philip Roth, Man Booker Prize-Winning Novelist
18. Margaret Atwood, Booker Prize-Winning Author and Poet
19. Sir Salman Rushdie, Booker Prize-Winning Novelist
20. Norman MacCaig, Renowned Scottish Poet
21. Phillip Pullman, Best-Selling British Author
22. Dr Matt Ridley, Award-Winning Science Writer
23. Harold Pinter, Nobel Laureate in Literature
24. Howard Brenton, Award-Winning English Playwright
25. Tariq Ali, Award-Winning Writer and Filmmaker
26. Theodore Dalrymple, English Writer and Psychiatrist
27. Roddy Doyle, Booker Prize-Winning Novelist
28. Redmond O'Hanlon FRSL, British Writer and Scholar
29. Diana Athill, Award-Winning Author and Literary Editor
30. Christopher Hitchens, Best-Selling Author, Award-Winning Columnist
Jan 24, 2012 1:54 PM
Re: 30 Renowned Writers Speaking About God
FOOLS in congriss with The Devil!!!
Yalls mustn't not be trickde by this evil false ness. Why does yalls really need proof for every thing, cant not yalls just believ. To bad this hole group of writers will burn in Hell for all infinity. Repent or be sent!
Yalls mustn't not be trickde by this evil false ness. Why does yalls really need proof for every thing, cant not yalls just believ. To bad this hole group of writers will burn in Hell for all infinity. Repent or be sent!
By: JesusIsLORD
Re: 30 Renowned Writers Speaking About God
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Re: 30 Renowned Writers Speaking About God
So... I'm looking at this from a neutral/undecided standpoint and my question is what proof do ya'll atheists have that there is no god? Now don't tell me "what proof do you have there IS a god?" because I don't have any. I don't have any reason to believe either way. So the same way I would ask a believer "What proof do you have that god exists?" I ask you atheists "What proof do you have that god doesn't exist"? No cop-out answers please.
By: KeyserSosay
Re: 30 Renowned Writers Speaking About God
One cannot prove a negative (http://mcooki.es/182369). But I'll try my best in this response and I do not ever claim to speak for someone else:
The young Earth nonsense of our planet being only 6000 years old is enough. The Biblical concept that the Earth is flat and the center of the Universe is another. I've seen no double-blind studies where prayer to God has been proven effective. Many religions counter each other with their accounts of who gets to go to their fantasy story of an afterlife.
I could go on and on and I have challenged many to provide the slightest bit of proof otherwise. Silence. Always. Silence.
The young Earth nonsense of our planet being only 6000 years old is enough. The Biblical concept that the Earth is flat and the center of the Universe is another. I've seen no double-blind studies where prayer to God has been proven effective. Many religions counter each other with their accounts of who gets to go to their fantasy story of an afterlife.
I could go on and on and I have challenged many to provide the slightest bit of proof otherwise. Silence. Always. Silence.
By: spam_vigilante
Re: 30 Renowned Writers Speaking About God
Does this lack of proof mean, to you, that god in-fact doesn't exist or does it mean that you don't know?
By: KeyserSosay
Re: 30 Renowned Writers Speaking About God
I think no one can know until death, which is probably why the story was so crafted.
It's damned unlikely that there is a God unless you consider Him only existing in one's heart. In other words, using the principle of a guiding spirit. Having worked in the advertising and PR biz for many years, I do understand that perception is everything.
Now, what fascinates me is that many people quickly respond to this and tell me that I am not an atheist but instead an agnostic. This is untrue. Most agnostics describe themselves as religious but just not choosing an organized religion. I say, it's a cop-out. There is sufficient evidence to me that In the Beginning, Man created God.
It's damned unlikely that there is a God unless you consider Him only existing in one's heart. In other words, using the principle of a guiding spirit. Having worked in the advertising and PR biz for many years, I do understand that perception is everything.
Now, what fascinates me is that many people quickly respond to this and tell me that I am not an atheist but instead an agnostic. This is untrue. Most agnostics describe themselves as religious but just not choosing an organized religion. I say, it's a cop-out. There is sufficient evidence to me that In the Beginning, Man created God.
By: spam_vigilante
Re: 30 Renowned Writers Speaking About God
Ahh. Okay so apparently there are different categories of Angosticism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism#Types_of_agnosticism
I think I'm a "strong agnostic". Perhaps you're an "agnostic atheist"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism#Types_of_agnosticism
I think I'm a "strong agnostic". Perhaps you're an "agnostic atheist"?
By: KeyserSosay
Re: 30 Renowned Writers Speaking About God
I guess you don't have to label yourself if you don't wannu.
By: KeyserSosay
Re: 30 Renowned Writers Speaking About God
Before I dive into the meat of your question, allow me to clarify a few things. First, there are two types of evidence: I will call them positive evidence and negative evidence. Positive evidence in the presence of data that either implies or demands certain events. For instance, us falling back to earth when we jump, instead of flying off into the sky, demands that a certain force must be attracting us back towards the ground. Negative evidence works inversely: a murder investigator who finds no traces of gunshot wounds on a body will conclude that a gun was not the cause of death.
The second thing I would like to identify is the word atheism itself. Dissecting the word reveals it to be a negative state: A (not) THEIST (proponent or believer in a god or gods). I might like to call this negative state “default state” meaning that it is the state a human mind defaults to, after considering positive state theism and rejecting it. Inversely a mind that accepts theism becomes positive state theist. With me so far?
Now, for your question. Without going into too many details (I'll leave the deeper investigation to you) the universe exists, with or without a god. This much is proven, just look around you; it's there. Now, because of advancements made in physical sciences recently, we have also proven that nothingness (As in true nothing; timeless, exo-universal nothingness) has properties that demand something exist. It more specific terms, it is well proven that life exists independently of a creator; stars exist independently, planets, rocks, photons, you name it. It all has been shown to be capable of existing on its own. Now as you may have guessed, all this positive evidence does not prove that a god (or gods) does not exist, nor can it. To say so would be an oxymoron. That said, it does prove that a god does not NEED to exist. It proves that the universe does not NEED a god or gods. Occam's Razor allows us to cut all gods out of the equation right now, but I know you won't be satisfied with that. And that's ok.
Negative evidence carries considerably more weight, in terms of disproving a god. In the case of the detective, he would expect to find gun wounds if his victim has been shot. Just so we should expect to find traces or evidence of gods (I'm speaking in terms of active gods such as the Judeo-Muslim-Christian god, or Hindu gods) or at least their works, had our earth been formed by them. Engineering the world would leave very distinctive signs. Instead, however, we find none. Instead of finding a world that accurately fits the description of any god myth, we find the opposite. To quickly address Yahweh's creation myth, which is of great popularity in my country, we would expect to find a earth that was created over the course of a roughly a week, roughly six thousand year ago or so. A world such as that would have no fossils buried more than a few (10's) feet deep, and would barely have any fossils at all.
This is my best attempt to lay out an argument. I hope my explanations are clear to you. I'll keep an eye on this post if you have any further questions or need something clarified more.
The second thing I would like to identify is the word atheism itself. Dissecting the word reveals it to be a negative state: A (not) THEIST (proponent or believer in a god or gods). I might like to call this negative state “default state” meaning that it is the state a human mind defaults to, after considering positive state theism and rejecting it. Inversely a mind that accepts theism becomes positive state theist. With me so far?
Now, for your question. Without going into too many details (I'll leave the deeper investigation to you) the universe exists, with or without a god. This much is proven, just look around you; it's there. Now, because of advancements made in physical sciences recently, we have also proven that nothingness (As in true nothing; timeless, exo-universal nothingness) has properties that demand something exist. It more specific terms, it is well proven that life exists independently of a creator; stars exist independently, planets, rocks, photons, you name it. It all has been shown to be capable of existing on its own. Now as you may have guessed, all this positive evidence does not prove that a god (or gods) does not exist, nor can it. To say so would be an oxymoron. That said, it does prove that a god does not NEED to exist. It proves that the universe does not NEED a god or gods. Occam's Razor allows us to cut all gods out of the equation right now, but I know you won't be satisfied with that. And that's ok.
Negative evidence carries considerably more weight, in terms of disproving a god. In the case of the detective, he would expect to find gun wounds if his victim has been shot. Just so we should expect to find traces or evidence of gods (I'm speaking in terms of active gods such as the Judeo-Muslim-Christian god, or Hindu gods) or at least their works, had our earth been formed by them. Engineering the world would leave very distinctive signs. Instead, however, we find none. Instead of finding a world that accurately fits the description of any god myth, we find the opposite. To quickly address Yahweh's creation myth, which is of great popularity in my country, we would expect to find a earth that was created over the course of a roughly a week, roughly six thousand year ago or so. A world such as that would have no fossils buried more than a few (10's) feet deep, and would barely have any fossils at all.
This is my best attempt to lay out an argument. I hope my explanations are clear to you. I'll keep an eye on this post if you have any further questions or need something clarified more.
By: Almagester
Re: 30 Renowned Writers Speaking About God
The short answer to your question is "It depends."
What exactly do you mean by "god?" There are some definitions which are specific enough to contradict known facts, and others which are self-contradictory. These gods can be proven not to exist. Other gods, or things which people have declared to be gods and believed in as such, certainly do or did exist (e.g., Caligula). Some definitions cannot possibly be proven to be true or false, e.g. a "god" which does not interact with our universe in any way.
An atheist is someone who is unconvinced by the claim that a god exists. This is not the same thing as asserting that NO god exists. You're asking atheists to prove an assertion that they wouldn't necessarily make. Most atheists are agnostic atheists.
The null hypothesis is to assume that something does not exist until there is sufficient evidence to demonstrate that it does. This is not a cop-out. I could conceive of a million different imaginary things which are no more or less plausible than a god; would I have to prove that each one doesn't exist before I could reasonably say that I don't believe in it? Why should I treat the idea of a god any differently?
What exactly do you mean by "god?" There are some definitions which are specific enough to contradict known facts, and others which are self-contradictory. These gods can be proven not to exist. Other gods, or things which people have declared to be gods and believed in as such, certainly do or did exist (e.g., Caligula). Some definitions cannot possibly be proven to be true or false, e.g. a "god" which does not interact with our universe in any way.
An atheist is someone who is unconvinced by the claim that a god exists. This is not the same thing as asserting that NO god exists. You're asking atheists to prove an assertion that they wouldn't necessarily make. Most atheists are agnostic atheists.
The null hypothesis is to assume that something does not exist until there is sufficient evidence to demonstrate that it does. This is not a cop-out. I could conceive of a million different imaginary things which are no more or less plausible than a god; would I have to prove that each one doesn't exist before I could reasonably say that I don't believe in it? Why should I treat the idea of a god any differently?
By: quisph
Re: 30 Renowned Writers Speaking About God
"Occam's Razor allows us to cut all gods out of the equation right now, but I know you won't be satisfied with that. And that's ok."
I would be okay either way if there was proof either way. Logically, what you're saying makes sense. However, human knowledge is limited and theories need to be tested. Right at this moment we don't have a good way to test. The whole higgs boson thing seems to be scratching at the surface though. So it's impossible for me to come even close to agreement on anything. Then again I'm probably overly skeptical about everything.
"Now, because of advancements made in physical sciences recently, we have also proven that nothingness (As in true nothing; timeless, exo-universal nothingness) has properties that demand something exist."
That's interesting. Never considered that before. I always just thought it made more sense for everything not to exist.
Do you reject the concept of god fully or the concept that human religions push? Is it possible that god/creator/whatever is a non-conscious thing? What if good and evil along with all of our other ideas are purley human thoughts/concepts? Do you simply reject the concept of god because of the way that other religions describe him?
I can't agree with you saying that atheism is the "default" state. It may be for many people. Being undecided may be the default state for people who give up even trying to address a subject that is beyond us.
I would be okay either way if there was proof either way. Logically, what you're saying makes sense. However, human knowledge is limited and theories need to be tested. Right at this moment we don't have a good way to test. The whole higgs boson thing seems to be scratching at the surface though. So it's impossible for me to come even close to agreement on anything. Then again I'm probably overly skeptical about everything.
"Now, because of advancements made in physical sciences recently, we have also proven that nothingness (As in true nothing; timeless, exo-universal nothingness) has properties that demand something exist."
That's interesting. Never considered that before. I always just thought it made more sense for everything not to exist.
Do you reject the concept of god fully or the concept that human religions push? Is it possible that god/creator/whatever is a non-conscious thing? What if good and evil along with all of our other ideas are purley human thoughts/concepts? Do you simply reject the concept of god because of the way that other religions describe him?
I can't agree with you saying that atheism is the "default" state. It may be for many people. Being undecided may be the default state for people who give up even trying to address a subject that is beyond us.
By: KeyserSosay
Re: 30 Renowned Writers Speaking About God
“Then again I'm probably overly skeptical about everything.”
Impossible. :)
I cannot fully reject the concept of a god(s), conscious, unconscious or otherwise, because doing so isn't logical (Remember the oxymoron bit?) but it is utterly irrelevant, and so I get off the thought train there. But since you asked, the evidence is strong enough in my mind to reject every religion I have ever heard of. Being non-religious makes me an atheist by definition, although I scarcely call myself that because I think it's a silly word we don't need. You may have heard the argument that just because you don't believe faeries exist doesn't mean to need to identify yourself as an a-faerie-ist. Even yourself, being on the fence are an atheist because you have not decided to be a theist.
You're absolutely spot on about good and evil being completely human concepts, or at least, as we define them, dependent on human perspective. Good and evil could be entirely different to a different life form in our universe. On this subject, I would love to direct you towards an essay that really changed the way I think about morality. It's heavy in the content department but should probably take an hour or two to read.
http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/carrot&stick.html
Until you reply, cheers!
P.S. Lawrence Krauss, the poet-physicist, wrote a book titled “A Universe from Nothing: Why there is Something Rather than Nothing” in which he address nothingness's properties. Could be a good read, if that's the sort of thing you're into.
Impossible. :)
I cannot fully reject the concept of a god(s), conscious, unconscious or otherwise, because doing so isn't logical (Remember the oxymoron bit?) but it is utterly irrelevant, and so I get off the thought train there. But since you asked, the evidence is strong enough in my mind to reject every religion I have ever heard of. Being non-religious makes me an atheist by definition, although I scarcely call myself that because I think it's a silly word we don't need. You may have heard the argument that just because you don't believe faeries exist doesn't mean to need to identify yourself as an a-faerie-ist. Even yourself, being on the fence are an atheist because you have not decided to be a theist.
You're absolutely spot on about good and evil being completely human concepts, or at least, as we define them, dependent on human perspective. Good and evil could be entirely different to a different life form in our universe. On this subject, I would love to direct you towards an essay that really changed the way I think about morality. It's heavy in the content department but should probably take an hour or two to read.
http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/carrot&stick.html
Until you reply, cheers!
P.S. Lawrence Krauss, the poet-physicist, wrote a book titled “A Universe from Nothing: Why there is Something Rather than Nothing” in which he address nothingness's properties. Could be a good read, if that's the sort of thing you're into.
By: Almagester